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Published: January 28, 2018
APA 7 Citation: Newsome, B. (Host). (2018, January 28). ReefHQ & enviroED [Audio podcast transcript]. Fizzics Education.
https://www.fizzicseducation.com.au/podcast/fizzicsed/reef-hq-aquarium-enviroed/

Ben Newsome CF is the recipient of the 2023 UTS Chancellor’s Award for Excellence and a Churchill Fellow. He is a global leader in science communication and the founder of Fizzics Education.

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Craig McGrogan: We’re getting these study abroad groups. They’re coming in and doing citizen science in our tank and then out into the field. I get a lot of enjoyment out of that. I think it’s largely because it’s a two-way learning experience. Many of these tertiary students visiting us are postgraduates; they’re in professions similar to ours over in the US, so there’s a lot of interchange of information and ideas. It’s tremendously rewarding to work with these people over an extended period of time. Not just a 90-minute programme or a 60-minute programme, but multiple days to really get to know them.

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Ben Newsome: And it’s not just tertiary students who are going to have a lot of fun. We’re talking a whole bunch of people, from preschool through to retirees, checking out Tropical North Queensland right in the heart of it at ReefHQ in Townsville. Let’s find out what it’s all about.

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Announcer: You’re listening to the Fizzics Ed Podcast. For hundreds of ideas, free experiments and more, go to fizzicseducation.com.au. And now, here’s your host, Ben Newsome.

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Ben Newsome: Welcome again to another Fizzics Ed Podcast. This week we are speaking with Craig McGrogan. He is the Senior Education Officer at ReefHQ Aquarium, which is a National Education Centre for the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority. Beautiful spot, we’re talking right on Townsville’s harbour where you get to go out to the reef, check out the reef itself, and there’s this living, breathing aquarium with lots of educational stuff going on. I tell you what, there’s lots of talks and tours being offered to the public as well.

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Ben Newsome: ReefHQ has been doing so much over many years regarding tailored education programmes. We’re talking schools from the very young kids all the way through to university level. As part of the aquarium’s digital outreach education, Craig, who we get to hear from very soon, gets to go diving underwater and present the reef video conferencing programme to schools globally. It’s so cool.

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Ben Newsome: As you can hear, ReefHQ really knows what they’re talking about when it comes to reef systems and beyond. As such, they’re a member of the Townsville North Queensland Edu-tourism Consortium. You get to hear about that and so much more in this interview. So without further ado, let’s listen to Craig. He’s got a lot to offer.

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Ben Newsome: Craig McGrogan, thank you for dropping on the Fizzics Ed Podcast.

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Craig McGrogan: Pleasure to be here, Ben, and a wonderful opportunity to share with everyone listening what we do here at ReefHQ Aquarium.

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Ben Newsome: I was so excited that you said you’re able to get involved with this because we’ve been running into you for a couple of years now through Virtual Excursions Australia and through the CILC in America, the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration. Up in Townsville with ReefHQ, you’re not just an aquarium, you do way more than that.

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Craig McGrogan: That’s quite true. We’re in the heart of tropical North Queensland, as we like to say, in Townsville. We’re right in the middle of where the Great Barrier Reef is, so ideally suited to have our public aquarium. However, we’re more than just a public aquarium. We’re the National Education Centre for the Great Barrier Reef. We are part of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, and that’s the Australian agency responsible for the sustainable use and management of activities within that Great Barrier Reef Marine Park. So yes, quite a bit more than just an aquarium, but we are an education facility and many strings to our bow as well.

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Ben Newsome: That’s exactly why I said it that way, because I knew full well that it’s not just an aquarium. I imagine the public visitors may actually think that when they first arrive. But no, you really have a lot going on. To be honest, I want to talk about ReefHQ itself because obviously that’s your passion, your drive, you’ve been involved for many years. I’m very curious about why marine biology? Why science? Why did you get into this instead of something else? I’m always curious to find out how people fall into these sort of roles.

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Craig McGrogan: I had a very fortunate and interesting upbringing. I was born in the Bahamas of all places, so there was little choice but to get exposed to the marine environment at a very young age. My family then moved to New Zealand, and my schooling was largely in New Zealand, living very close to the coast. Again, very fortunately, we had a couple of family holidays to the Pacific Islands, most notably the Cook Islands and Fiji. That just opened my eyes to the amazing underwater environment that we find in our tropics.

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Craig McGrogan: With that experience being very formative, I started university doing zoology, then marine science. I then got the interest to travel and went overseas. I did a little bit more zoology in the UK and actually worked in Ireland on a small marine station off the southern coast of Cork, Sherkin Island Marine Station. Lovely diving over there, but quite cool, Ben, so I had to think about coming back to the tropics. So I came back down under.

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Ben Newsome: Were you dealing with dry suits there?

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Craig McGrogan: No, they were very tough to get into semi-dry suits. It was not the most easy diving I’ve done, but really quite spectacular. It might be of interest to those people that are divers, that the waters around the UK and Ireland, although they’re chilly, they’ve got some fantastic marine life, really colourful marine life too. Happy times there.

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Ben Newsome: Absolutely. Full disclosure here, I’m actually fanboying a little bit because I am a diver. I dive down to 30 metres and try not to go below that because then you’re being naughty. We’ve done a lot of that. I totally agree that cold and temperate waters absolutely do have a lot of stuff because basic physics is that you’re going to have more dissolved oxygen. When there’s more dissolved oxygen, there’s more life. There’s just a lot of interesting stuff around there. I’d love to go for a dive around the UK. You’ve just added another to the bucket list.

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Craig McGrogan: That’s good to know. I must say, the diving is a bit easier here in the tropics. You’re just in a three-millimetre suit year-round. For me, that’s just to keep the sun off more than anything else and keep those stingers away that we get here in the tropics. Since coming to Townsville, it really is the heart of the Great Barrier Reef as far as research and education goes.

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Ben Newsome: That’s where we step into exactly why we got into this, because I’m very much interested in all the different types of education outreach and visitation you have. If you had to describe the sorts of activities that happen within ReefHQ and beyond from an education perspective, what are the sort of things that happen?

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Craig McGrogan: You’re quite right. Daily visitation from independent travellers passing through Townsville and coming into the aquarium is a big chunk. That’s about 140,000 to 150,000 visitors a year. We have our public programme, which is an interpretive programme based around the living exhibits and the public galleries. We give people an insight into aspects of the Great Barrier Reef through our living displays.

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Craig McGrogan: Our programme today will have ten different talks, tours, or presentations: feeding presentations, dive shows, and turtle hospital visits, which are very popular. It’s all to give people an insight into the Great Barrier Reef and its conservation. That was really the focus when ReefHQ was conceived back in 1987. It opened as an educational opportunity for anybody, regardless of age or mobility, to appreciate the wonderful Great Barrier Reef. Daily visitation is a big part of our day. Organised school groups are another. We get many thousands of children coming through at all different ages and stages of learning, from the foundation levels right through primary and secondary school. We have education programmes tailored and aligned with the Australian Science Curriculum to meet their unit or curriculum requirements.

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Ben Newsome: Fair enough. You’ve got people coming to your place and doing things, but I can see you sitting with a big green screen behind you. I know for a fact you also do some stuff in the aquarium itself with full face masks and a microphone in front of you. Let’s discuss that because it’s a bit unique. Some people may not realise they don’t have to go to Townsville to experience what you get up to.

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Craig McGrogan: Very good point, and we’d love to get that out there more. We do have our digital education programme, our digital outreach, and video conferencing programme. It might surprise some, but this has been ongoing since the early 2000s, if not earlier. Before I was even part of the aquarium, they were doing underwater presentations where the diver is hard-wired with an audio and video cable into our video conferencing system.

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Craig McGrogan: They take people underwater, up close to the marine life, and give them a really dynamic presentation. You never know quite what’s going to happen underwater with that wonderful marine life. We get up close and personal, and we give people the opportunity to chat directly with the diver. It’s a very interactive opportunity. It’s the most enjoyable part of my job. Getting underwater and up close to the marine life is fantastic, but being able to share it in real time with people all over the globe is amazing.

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Craig McGrogan: Just this week, we were speaking with a school in Nebraska in the US—two back-to-back video conferences. We got some wonderful feedback today where the kids just couldn’t stop talking about it the next day. It’s so heartwarming and rewarding for us to hear that we have that impact. Now, we also have our turtle hospital, which has recently been enabled with video conferencing capabilities. The Zoom platform has opened up opportunities for so many more schools.

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Craig McGrogan: They don’t need dedicated video conferencing technology like before. Anybody with a good internet connection and a laptop or smart device can connect to us in our turtle hospital. We give people an up-close, real-time experience of the patients we have, how we care for them, and the sorts of things we can do to mitigate the human impacts they’re facing these days. Going back to our school group visits, we can tailor any of our education programmes depending on the interest or the year group, whether it’s reefs at risk or adaptations for survival. We sit here and have a very interactive presentation with the benefit of content sharing using that lovely big green screen. We share a lot of content and engage with the students. We like to make all our presentations super interactive, which is really important.

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Ben Newsome: Very much. Kids are always going to have questions about how the world works. What are the common things you can almost predict they’re going to ask? On the flip side, have you ever had questions where you thought, ‘Wow, I didn’t expect that?’ I’d love to know what the kids are thinking when they come in.

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Craig McGrogan: Lots of wonderful questions. I guess one of the more common ones we get is, ‘Have you ever been bitten by a shark?’ The answer is yes, but then I disappoint them by saying it was a tiny baby epaulette shark, so it wasn’t the dramatic, gory experience they might be hoping for. But you get the full spectrum of questions and queries.

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Craig McGrogan: One of the best ones I had—and it sounds a little bit cheeky—was a boy asking, ‘Have you ever peed in your wetsuit?’ He was reprimanded quickly by his teacher, but I said, ‘No, that’s a really good point.’ Here in the aquarium, our water quality, as it is on the Great Barrier Reef, is of paramount importance to the corals. Corals are fussy animals; they need good, clean water. In fact, the stocking density of the animals in the tank is designed not to overstretch the nutrient build-up or put too much strain on that living system.

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Craig McGrogan: Peeing in my wetsuit would be counterproductive. We were able to turn the question around and make a point that corals really need clean, clear water that’s low in nutrients. I guess that’s one of the more memorable questions I’ve been asked.

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Ben Newsome: That reminds me of when we run a human body workshop. Inevitably there are questions about passing waste. It’s how you frame it. Hitting it directly and saying, ‘Actually, this is a pertinent question,’ works well. Sometimes teachers will say, ‘Oh no, you can’t ask that.’ We say, ‘Hang on, we’re talking about the digestive system. We’re going to finish this off,’ which always gets a smile from the teacher. Biology teachers and science communicators know very well that sometimes you get into these sticky situations. The good thing is that the kids see it’s visceral and real. You’re in a wetsuit, you’re diving, and something like that is bound to come up at some point.

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Craig McGrogan: I’m not backward about taking the lead and going down those paths. We have our sea cucumbers, which are great subject material. They’re very inanimate; they’re not very mobile or animated. They sit there, and there’s often a big pile of poo behind them. The kids just love it when you bring it down to that level and start picking up the poo. You explain the ecological role of the sea cucumber as a vacuum cleaner—recycling nutrients, turning over the sediment, and oxygenating those initial layers. The kids really engage with that level of interpretation, so we don’t shy away from it.

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Ben Newsome: It’s interesting because you’re in a public aquarium doing this, and it’s a serious establishment. It must draw some questions from the public walking by while you’re presenting. Obviously, you’ve got a camera on you, and I guess you’ve got a dry-side diver helping you out. What does the public think?

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Craig McGrogan: It’s probably a marketing stream we’re not making the most of at the moment. We could simply make people aware of the virtual excursions we offer with a little label in a prominent place, explaining that the video conference is going to Nebraska or New York. There’s marketing potential there.

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Craig McGrogan: The other thing about our aquarium, Ben, which sets it apart from many others, is that you might think, ‘I’d love to ask somebody a question about that,’ but you can rarely find staff to talk to. Here, we take the opposite approach. We don’t flood the area with volunteers, but we have a public presence of staff and volunteers in the galleries to talk to visitors, explain what they’re looking at, and add depth to their experience. It’s an opportunity to convey what the divers are doing and add some interpretation.

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Ben Newsome: It’s very much the case. You are a very busy centre. So much so that during this podcast, you’ve got a handheld radio with you just in case things happen. Just out of curiosity, as an educator for many years at ReefHQ, if you had to drop everything this afternoon and run your favourite lesson, what would it be?

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Craig McGrogan: Mate, it’s hard to pick. I really do have a passion for diving, and I get a lot out of it. The diving at the aquarium is very comfortable—it’s only shallow water, five metres deep. As I say, you don’t know quite what you’re going to come across. Whether you’re going to see a big cod being cleaned by a cleaner wrasse and actually get a bit of video right through the cod’s mouth and out through its gills. We have these occasional experiences which are just gold. That would be high on my list.

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Craig McGrogan: I also look forward to our edu-tourism season, which is a growing part of our educational focus. By edu-tourism, we’re talking about tertiary groups and study abroad groups visiting us, predominantly from the US. They come down around their summertime—May, June, July onwards. We host groups for many days at a time, taking them into the aquarium to learn a reef monitoring technique. It’s a simple, science-based approach to collect relevant data that is fed back to the Marine Park Authority.

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Craig McGrogan: We take multiple groups through our 2.5-million-litre coral reef exhibit, which is the size of an Olympic pool. We practise this technique in the tank and then take them out onto the reef. It’s a two-hour boat ride to get to the mid-shelf reefs, but we’ll spend a day out there surveying a couple of sites to bring that data back.

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Craig McGrogan: We get these study abroad groups doing citizen science, and I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. It’s a two-way learning experience because many of these tertiary students are postgraduates in professions similar to ours in the US, so there’s a lot of interchange of ideas. It’s tremendously rewarding to work with these people over an extended period. If I had to pick my absolute favourite thing to do this afternoon, it might be to have a bit of that edu-tourism experience.

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Ben Newsome: That’s so cool. How long has that been going on?

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Craig McGrogan: It’s fairly recent. Townsville is trying to identify itself as quite unique compared to other leisure tourism destinations along the Great Barrier Reef. We can’t compete with Cairns, Port Douglas, or the Whitsundays when it comes to the proximity of the reef. But what we have in our local region is tremendous variety: World Heritage rainforests, wetlands, and the reef. We’ve got highly regarded academic and research institutions. There’s a consortium of operators and researchers that work together to plan programmes for these faculty-led experiential learning trips.

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Craig McGrogan: We plan out a ten-day package for these people to come and enjoy Townsville, its surrounds, and the Great Barrier Reef. I’d say it started around 2011, so it’s a relatively recent addition to our focus, but it’s a growing one. It’s going to be all-consuming before too long, especially if we tap into the China market, which is going to be enormous.

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Ben Newsome: So what you’re saying is you have a terrible place to work and live, and no one should ever come and visit at all because it’s really, really bad.

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Craig McGrogan: I sometimes have to pinch myself. Like any job, there are minor frustrations, but I wouldn’t have been here for the last 14 years if I didn’t love it. I’ve been part of this aquarium in different roles, predominantly in interpretation and education. I’ve been working with a couple of colleagues for that same length of time. Cumulatively, within our education team, we’ve got over 40 years of in-house experience. It says a lot about the place and how much enjoyment we get out of our work.

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Ben Newsome: The area is beautiful. I have a personal connection with Townsville because I lived there for several years. I left in 1988 as a little kid, and I remember ReefHQ being announced and opened. I was in Year 4 at the time—that gives my age away. We went out onto the reef. I used to live in Rasmussen. The place is beautiful, with rainforests nearby and stunning landscapes.

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Ben Newsome: If you get a chance to go to Townsville, it is an immersive experience at ReefHQ. You guys are doing a fantastic job. Out of interest, for the people listening—teachers, museum educators, university types—if they or their students wanted to get involved in marine biology, education, or edu-tourism, what advice would you suggest?

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Craig McGrogan: Is this from the teacher’s perspective getting in contact with the aquarium to see what opportunities there are, or more for younger age groups thinking of moving into marine science?

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Ben Newsome: We’ll certainly grab your contact details because I want everyone to know what you do. But I’m asking for advice for young kids, say in Year 11, who want to get into marine biology and potentially education in a site like yours. What are their first steps?

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Craig McGrogan: That’s actually one of the video conferencing programmes we offer. At the aquarium, we have a diversity of skills and backgrounds among the staff—from trades to retail perspectives, and a lot of highly trained scientists with PhDs and Masters degrees. We can set up a chat with different staff members. If there’s an interest to contact our aquarium, we can chat about our backgrounds, how we got here, and offer advice.

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Craig McGrogan: Personally, you need to study your sciences and keep your options broad as you go through high school and university. As you get towards your final years, that’s when you refine your focus depending on where you want to go. My background wasn’t big on sciences in high school; I was encouraged to play a lot of football. But I soon discovered the importance of the sciences when I got into my zoology studies and then went into marine science.

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Craig McGrogan: Having a mum as a teacher was perhaps part of my interest in teaching. Wherever I’ve been involved, whether at a university or a research station, I’ve always gone off on an educational tangent. I was helping out with marine science school holiday programmes at university, and when I was in Ireland, I helped with their aquarium exhibition.

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Craig McGrogan: My preference is not only getting involved with marine biology but sharing that knowledge. I hope that gives a bit of insight. If people wanted to know more about working in an aquarium, we can put you in touch with our aquarists—our underwater zookeepers—and the education staff. We’d be happy to chat.

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Ben Newsome: Awesome. That’s a perfect segue to how on earth do we get in touch with ReefHQ? What are the best ways?

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Craig McGrogan: Email is the best. We’re never really in the office too much; we’re always running hither and thither. We suggest contacting us at education@gbrmpa.gov.au. That funny acronym stands for the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, or GBRMPA.

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Craig McGrogan: We can chat about the plethora of educational opportunities we offer. Up on our website is our reef video conferencing programme, and we’ll be adding our turtle connections—a behind-the-scenes visit to our turtle husbandry area. We’re happy to negotiate teacher professional development sessions to give people a flavour of what we can offer.

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Ben Newsome: Much appreciated, Craig. We’ll put that in the show notes so people can check it out. Well done. Everything from the turtle hospital to eco and edu-tourism is fantastic. You’re bastions for telling everyone about climate change, ocean acidification, and all that stuff. It matters, and they can see it in front of them. I should let you go because I know you have a bunch of programmes happening today, but much appreciated, Craig. We’ll catch you another time.

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Craig McGrogan: A real pleasure, Ben. Thanks for the opportunity to share a little bit about what we do. All the power to you, mate. Very well done with this initiative. We’ll speak to you again soon.

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Ben Newsome: All the best. Enjoy the sunshine.

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Ben Newsome: And there you go. That was Craig McGrogan out of ReefHQ, which is a brilliant spot right in the heart of Tropical North Queensland. Get yourself up to Townsville. I know a lot of people go up to Cairns; pop on down to Townsville if you have a chance. The National Education Centre for the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority is ReefHQ. These guys really know what they’re talking about.

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Ben Newsome: If you ever want to know more about the reef and its surroundings, getting in touch with them is a great idea. What were your learnings from this? For me, there were a couple. One is definitely: visit North Queensland. Yes, it’s humid, but it’s tropical, which means palm trees, reefs, and beautiful aquariums. ReefHQ is a brilliant eco-tourism facility.

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Ben Newsome: Number two: if you can’t check them out in person because you’re on the other side of the planet, why not connect with them digitally? Contact Craig and say, ‘I’d love to connect my class or retirement home.’ You can look up reefhq.com.au or find them on the Center for Interactive Learning and Collaboration (cilc.org) in the US, which does a lot of video conferencing for schools.

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Ben Newsome: Number three: teach kids to look after the reef. Think about the impacts of runoff from crops, mines, or cities. What are the impacts of nutrient loads coming onto the reef system? Think about the impact of increased UV light or water temperatures. Reefs are very much a barometer for the world. Why not teach kids about looking after the environment using the reef as an analogy?

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Ben Newsome: You can look at biology and conservation. If you don’t have a reef nearby, you can look at the biology of your area and discuss the reef as a different biome.

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Announcer: This is the Fizzics Ed Podcast. We’re all about science, ed tech and more. To see 100 fun free experiments you can do with your class, go to fizzicseducation.com.au. That’s physics spelled F I Z Z I C S and click 100 free experiments.

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Ben Newsome: With all this talk about ReefHQ and diving, I can’t help myself. I think we should learn how to make a Cartesian diver. This is a simple experiment that sounds fancy but really isn’t. A Cartesian diver, sometimes called Diver Dan or Scuba Sally, is simply a bottle of water with a little vessel inside that bobs up and down when you squeeze the bottle.

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Ben Newsome: All you need is a plastic drink bottle. If you’ve got young students, get a small one, like a 200-millilitre bottle. Little kids’ hands have trouble squeezing a large 600-millilitre bottle completely filled with water. You have to fill the bottle completely to the top with water.

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Ben Newsome: Step one: fill a small bottle with water all the way to the top. Next, get a pen lid—like a biro pen lid with the part that lets you hang it on your pocket. That part is crucial because the lid is hollow, and the stick poking down is a fantastic spot to put some Play-Doh or, even better, Blu-Tack. This keeps the pen lid upright so it acts as a floating device.

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Ben Newsome: Pop the pen lid into the bottle filled with water. It will either be spot on, which is rare, or it will sink to the bottom. If it sinks, you’ll have to pour the water out and take some Blu-Tack off because it’s too heavy. If it floats too high, it’s not heavy enough. You’ve got it right when the pen lid is barely floating at the very top of the water. There’s a little air bubble trapped inside, and the Blu-Tack keeps it upright and low in the water—acting a bit like a Plimsoll line on a ship.

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Ben Newsome: Close the lid really tight and give the bottle a squeeze. As you squeeze, water enters the pen lid, making it heavier, and it drops down as it loses buoyancy. When you stop squeezing, the air bubble inside the pen lid expands, pushes the water out, and the lid becomes lighter and floats back up. Kids love this simple demonstration of pressure moving through a liquid.

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Ben Newsome: You can make a game out of it by hooking a paperclip onto the Blu-Tack to go fishing for things at the bottom of the bottle. If you want visual instructions, jump on the Fizzics Education website and search for ‘Make a Cartesian Diver’. If you want to get fancy, you can use clear pipettes with small nuts attached to hold them upright. When you squeeze the bottle, you can actually see the water level rise inside the pipette.

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Ben Newsome: During our chat with Craig, we heard about their work with citizen science and tertiary students. Back in Episode 5 of the Fizzics Ed Podcast, we spoke with Jackie Randles, who is the NSW manager for Inspiring Australia. She very much loves and promotes citizen science.

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Jackie Randles: You can find a citizen science project that meets your interest. Redmap, for instance, is all about fishing. If you happen to love fishing or do anything on the water, that’s probably the one for you. If you see an unusual species—maybe a fish or a whale moving towards Queensland too early—take a picture, upload it to the Redmap platform, and marine scientists from around Australia will analyse it. You’re helping identify movements of species.

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Ben Newsome: That episode was so popular. It’s all about citizen science initiatives and entrepreneurial thinking. It’s well worth a listen, so go back into the records, find Episode 5, and check it out.

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Ben Newsome: That just about brings us to the end of yet another Fizzics Ed Podcast. I hope you’ve been enjoying this. I’m really looking forward to the rest of the series because we have many more people coming up to share how they teach science. Next week, we are speaking with Jenny Murphy about Latitude Group Travel, doing STEM tours globally. Until then, I hope you’ve been making your science classes awesome and having a lot of fun in the process. Catch you next week.